tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post4335358083313909710..comments2023-06-15T09:13:45.467-04:00Comments on Liberty's Torch: Politically Insoluble Part 2Francis W. Porrettohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05862584203772592282noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-53482735363571702752015-03-13T22:07:16.222-04:002015-03-13T22:07:16.222-04:001) Who bells the cat? Who needs a leader anyway? E...1) Who bells the cat? Who needs a leader anyway? Everything is local, folks.<br /><br />2) Some of the military would side with the rebels, some wouldn't. I think we will be better off in that respect, than most rebellions are.<br /><br />3) What, is Canada going to invade us? If we go down, every government in the world will be looking to their own survival. We have nothing to fear on this point, and I can't see why people keep bringing it us.<br /><br />4) Depends on how willing the pro-Constitutional forces are, to leave others alone. If it's just "meet the new boss, same as the old boss," then no, pro-Constitutional forces will not prevail - nor should they.Paul Bonneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15279129269584372919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-70203264437759122432015-03-13T18:01:33.829-04:002015-03-13T18:01:33.829-04:00Too many on both sides are unwilling to live even ...Too many on both sides are unwilling to live even temporarily under domination by the other. The best solution is a negotiated split.<br />The Czechs and Slovaks managed a peaceful, negotiated split. Granted, that was a split of a nation the size of the state of Mississippi, but it must have taken some convincing for the populations to take the concept of an amicable divorce seriously, let alone believe it was possible and vocally support it.<br />I have no doubt a large fraction of the left grass roots would prefer a peaceful split over civil war - but the first issue would be to convince the grass roots, on <b>both</b> sides, to take seriously the possibility of a civil war. That's a long way off.daniel_dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399665251275194585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-387762467028168302015-03-12T19:53:40.735-04:002015-03-12T19:53:40.735-04:00Simple, really. DEMAND an immediate return to our...Simple, really. DEMAND an immediate return to our Constitutional principles or else. Nothing says serious like de-centralized to non-existent command structure and SMALL unit actions directed specifically at those who would deny us our demands. I'll no longer worry about being labeled a criminal BY the common criminals who have usurped MY government. I'll ask you this. If not now, when? Will your children be forced to something about our national situation because YOU, personally were too much the coward to do so yourself? Remember before you answer though, They WILL operate from an even less advantageous point than we currently endure. Time's long past to think of personal comfort and convenience. It's time to honor the efforts of all those preceding you who fought, bled and in many cases died for the rights you so casually take for granted, even as you watch them fade into history. As a nation, we should be ashamed of ourselves for letting it go this far. I know I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-39809500007355207202015-03-12T19:44:55.642-04:002015-03-12T19:44:55.642-04:00The United States military could stand watch to en...The United States military could stand watch to ensure no foreign power took advantage of the chaos while "We the People" handled things internally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-68466837913202805832015-03-12T16:41:10.908-04:002015-03-12T16:41:10.908-04:00One big thing to consider with individualized resi...One big thing to consider with individualized resistance: you can end up just as crushed as a rebel army, and if it comes to that, you will go down *alone*.<br /><br />Just because the army ants would eventually eat the elephant doesn't mean that it will go all that well for the individual ants.<br /><br />I'm not saying it's a bad idea - it's actually quite good - just that anyone who elects to go down that road needs to do so with eyes open: just because you ignore the government, it does not follow that they will ignore you.Jimmy the Saintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-67534961031150208232015-03-12T11:33:45.176-04:002015-03-12T11:33:45.176-04:00Bruce,
True enough. I guess what I meant was tha...Bruce,<br /><br />True enough. I guess what I meant was that we need to quit contributing our farthing to their madness. They're going to crash it sooner or later. Might as well be sooner so we can get on with the rebuilding. The longer they have to solidify their totalitarian positions, the worse for us.Weetabixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106614092497408546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-23018174502338866412015-03-12T10:15:12.776-04:002015-03-12T10:15:12.776-04:00Indeed. What cannot be sustained will not be. Bu...Indeed. What cannot be sustained will not be. But what happens *after* the collapse of the debt bubble?<br /><br />At the point at which borrowing is no longer possible, then the regime must either overtly coopt the market and the means of exchange, or live within actual receipts. In either case, lack of consent becomes a much more powerful weapon at that point.Historianhttp://www.libertyhollow.weebly.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-17033126958068961202015-03-12T10:10:57.614-04:002015-03-12T10:10:57.614-04:00If an insurrection was to occur its first order of...If an insurrection was to occur its first order of business is to attack the electrical grid. This cripples the State. Yes the front line logistical teams are built to be self-sufficient. However that is only a temporary thing. The backend logistical resupply is still dependent on public power. Lacking mobility its ability to react is greatly diminished. <br /><br />Short of that, the best `legal` tactic is diminish your personal velocity of expenditure. The State based on our tax system, can only tax something when it changes hands. Your paycheck for example. But it goes deeper, buy used on anything that does not require title transfer -- supplies, clothes, etc. Do your own maintenance to any extent possible. The State can't tax your own labor.Tucanae Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11935170696138248693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-74526141540233189062015-03-12T07:56:47.045-04:002015-03-12T07:56:47.045-04:00Sorry, Weetabix, must disagree about not funding ...Sorry, Weetabix, must disagree about not funding projects. There has been a severe lack of fiscal discipline in the House (with the power of the purse) for decades. They'll fund anyting they damn well please with deficit spending, just as they have done for decades. They'll continue until they can't borrow any longer (cf Greece). Then the walls will come crashing down under its own weight.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09531009878166988406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-45239675268318234482015-03-12T01:55:09.024-04:002015-03-12T01:55:09.024-04:00"The first step is waking Americans from the ..."The first step is waking Americans from the dream of salvation by politics."<br /><br />I've been trying to do that with friends and family. My very conservative and Christian sister (who is aware I am agnostic) is unable, so far, to grasp the failure of the system. Clinging to hope and faith, she cannot let go of the ballot box, and has no experience with the cartridge box (I've tried to move her to learn and to train, but, living in Connecticut as she does, it is getting harder to do even that).<br /><br />When she is able to move past denial, I will try to get her to see that refusal to comply is about all that is left, short of going to guns.Reg Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14099612693763932005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-62345485883142543102015-03-11T17:39:56.519-04:002015-03-11T17:39:56.519-04:00"How would other nations react to an insurrec..."How would other nations react to an insurrection in the United States?"<br /><br />Red Dawn?<br /><br />I guess the two keys are probably to:<br /> - examine laws to decide whether they're <i>malum prohibitum</i> or <i>malum in se</i>, then ignoring or undermining as many <i>malum prohibita</i> as possible, and<br /> - starve the beast ala Ann Barnhardt as an extreme example and Karl Denninger as an easier one. Or hit the grey market as much as possible.<br /><br />They can't run projects they can't fund.Weetabixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106614092497408546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-65598919004173268662015-03-11T16:02:42.467-04:002015-03-11T16:02:42.467-04:00Dystopic, good writing, and +1 on Victoria. I rea...Dystopic, good writing, and +1 on Victoria. I read it in its early stages, and followed it extensively as it developed. Don't agree with everything it it, but we can learn from everybody, even our enemies.<br /><br />Fran, thanks for continuing to stand, and to continue to look for a third way between the ballot and the bullet, even though we might not find one. <br /><br />This period ahead of us, as you know, is fraught with danger, and a peaceable people like us does not rush to war quickly. Nonetheless, I agree we must face some physical conflict with tyranny on our own soil soon, and the cycles of history are about to come due. By the predictions of The Fourth Turning, the real nastiness ought to start in 4 - 5 years.Backwoods Engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13666984602233967254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-25229622094408540692015-03-11T15:41:01.002-04:002015-03-11T15:41:01.002-04:00The "progressives" took decades to get t...The "progressives" took decades to get to where they are today,and it's likely going to take decades to remove them and the bullshit they have created.<br />There is no quick fix-even if we ended up in revolution or civil war-it would still take many years to decide the "winner". Assuming those who support rightful liberty,the Constitution and the BOR win-it will still take years to reverse the damage that's been done.<br />The progressives took over the schools,our children have been attending leftist indoctrination camps for at least the past 50 years or so.<br />The colleges and universities are full of leftists/progressive "professors",and the indoctrination has continued at the college level.<br />Taking back the schools would be a good first move-because the results of an actual education,minus the leftist bullshit will pay off for decades.<br />Voting will do nothing-as the political parties have morphed into one party-there is no longer any meaningful difference between Democrat and GOP.<br />GamegetterIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11963151027331481180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-51963869978916372232015-03-11T14:04:46.878-04:002015-03-11T14:04:46.878-04:00All good stuff. (still in pain from a severe inju...All good stuff. (still in pain from a severe injury, but mind is starting to work better) I like the moral high ground, and I also like individualist anarchism. I'm not prepared to become the enemy we hate, but I'm also not ready to play the role of good sheep. I'll check out the read that Dystopic suggested, and will continue to do what I want, what is right and moral, Mandarins-be-damned. My actions, and those of millions of other Liberty-minded Americans, will play out on the macro scale over the next few decades, but I don't see a mass conversion to flocks of "well-behaved" sheep, except in the sense that sheep dogs often resemble sheep when they're not actively defending against wolves. Stay strong, stay moral, stay free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-10633164682136375222015-03-11T09:30:03.734-04:002015-03-11T09:30:03.734-04:00I may have mentioned it earlier, however there is ...I may have mentioned it earlier, however there is a fiction novel available here for free: <a href="https://www.traditionalright.com/victoria/" rel="nofollow">https://www.traditionalright.com/victoria/</a> that describes methods which may work for us.<br /><br />The great majority of these methods are non-violent means of resistance. As you say, this is not the day of line-of-battle armies. Doing something like that only guarantees failure. The moral high ground is important for us, and it must be retaken.<br /><br />Furthermore, collective, organized resistance is an exercise in futility. We would become the enemy we hate. Resistance must be spontaneous, spurred onward by genuine, righteous anger on the part of an aggrieved populace. Then we will need no Great Leaders, no Julius Caesars for our side.<br /><br />Every victory I know of, that our side has enjoyed, has worked this way. The Tea Party takeover of parts of the Republican party was, obviously, too little, too late. Nonetheless, it was a battle that was won (even if the war was already lost) and it is instructive in what works. #GamerGate is another victory against the Progressives and it operated similarly. There were no leaders (or if they were, they were only one among many such), only men and women fighting of their own volition.<br /><br />They took the moral high ground, for a change.<br /><br />Removing the Progressives from power is no longer possible without destroying the institutions they control, but destroying those institutions need not be done violently. Indeed, that would lose us the moral high ground I speak of.<br /><br />But don't throw away your ammo hoards and canned goods yet. Violence will come *AFTER* those institutions have been undermined (or collapse of their own weight). And we must be prepared to defend ourselves when that day comes. America is a pressure cooker. Removing the lid will be... interesting, in the Chinese sense.Manuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13082153758868357687noreply@blogger.com