tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post5893084778415232410..comments2023-06-15T09:13:45.467-04:00Comments on Liberty's Torch: Some Thoughts On Sex And The Bonded CoupleFrancis W. Porrettohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05862584203772592282noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-74709343427543631022014-08-08T10:21:19.809-04:002014-08-08T10:21:19.809-04:00I realize I'm late to the game on this posting...I realize I'm late to the game on this posting, but I just wanted to note that the previous comment's discussion of "beauty" isn't exactly what I think the comment to which he was responding was referring to.<br /><br />A wife should "ensure she remains attractive to her husband" was the comment, and I think that this goes beyond physical condition (although that is certainly part of it). Behaviors can be attractive or unattractive, even more so than physical beauty - especially on the unattractive side. A physically beautiful specimen who is constantly negative about her life, demeans her husband, or complains that she deserves better is behaving in an unattractive way, regardless of what makeup, fashion, or figure she brings to the table.<br /><br />Little (but important) things like shying away from his casual touch or refusing to look him in the eye also reduce attractiveness.<br /><br />So while I certainly agree that it is not a wife's duty to paint herself to achieve some arbitrary standard of beauty to encourage her husband's desire, I think it is also the case that behaving in an explicitly unattractive manner is to be avoided at all costs, because such behavior will overwhelm any aspects of physical beauty over the long term.Cordolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04944796567238311642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-33944642731798555622014-07-27T12:58:34.191-04:002014-07-27T12:58:34.191-04:00I don't quite understand the 'Woman, make ...I don't quite understand the 'Woman, make yourself attractive to your husband' dictum. I'm a romantic at heart, so I tend to think that all women are beautiful from the right angle. There might be exceptions, like Janet Reno or Madeleine Albright, but as a general rule, if a man can't find the beauty in a woman, he's not looking at her from the right point of view. I pity all the Baby Boomers who are getting their faces lifted and tucked at retirement age because they can't understand that beauty has many forms. Why should an middle-aged woman be less beautiful to her husband because they are (horror of horrors!) growing together? Is the husband a hopeless cad with the same standard of beauty he had at eighteen? I don't understand it. <br /><br />If a husband doesn't have that perspective on his own wife, something is very, very wrong. He is either out of his mind or he is half-way to breaking his vows. Possibly both. It is not wife's my duty to paint herself like Jezebel for my benefit. She doesn't need it anyway. She is beautiful, period. As a husband, it is my privilege to know and love my woman's beauty and my duty to ignore. I should notice a daughter's beauty and praise so she comes out of childhood self-assured of her own beauty instead of comparing herself unfavorably to her peers and whatever she sees on magazine covers at the supermarket.A Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288199981382663362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-83018879608758182252014-07-26T13:47:51.049-04:002014-07-26T13:47:51.049-04:00I'm guessing his efforts, prior to the spreads...I'm guessing his efforts, prior to the spreadsheet, were subtle.John Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01077793417700366871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-49148553382348319482014-07-25T10:44:27.841-04:002014-07-25T10:44:27.841-04:00Oh this is a tough one, Francis. I agree very stro...Oh this is a tough one, Francis. I agree very strongly with some of your points, but equally disagree with others.<br /><br />We agree thusly:<br /><br />Feminism and its obsession with turning women into men, and men into nothing (the bicycle to a woman's fish) is, indeed, one of the greatest troubles of our age. Similarly, your character Helen is reasonable, having a deeper understanding of male-female relations than most women today. Finally, the spreadsheet author was fully in the right to document his complaints and cutoff contact in order to make his wife think about their relationship.<br /><br />We disagree, however, in the solution and the importance of the physical. Dave Swindle has a good point, although I suspect he is confused as to what "seduction" really means (hint: it isn't being a kiss-ass little servile slave to one's wife).<br /><br />The fact is, a man must never stop being a man. He must remain strong, attractive, powerful and wise or else he will lose the primal attraction his wife has for him. That primal attraction, once lost, is difficult to regain. When the primal attraction goes, it is only a matter of time before the love and physical desire goes with it. As Vox would say, he must always "game" his wife.<br /><br />Just as a wife should take care of herself and ensure she remains attractive to her husband so must the man do the same with regards to his dominant nature. This doesn't mean he has to be an asshole or a cruel individual, but it does mean he should avoid being a supplicating pansy. As Dave Swindle said, he must know how to seduce her (but I highly suspect Dave Swindle himself does NOT know how to do this -- something I find very funny).Manuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13082153758868357687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-72759486945912787472014-07-25T05:14:03.006-04:002014-07-25T05:14:03.006-04:00Thank you, KG. It strikes me as "obvious"...Thank you, KG. It strikes me as "obvious" stuff, but we all know what that little word means, don't we?Francis W. Porrettohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862584203772592282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6557458849091969678.post-83886321272469054212014-07-25T04:59:07.577-04:002014-07-25T04:59:07.577-04:00Brilliant! And Lord knows, it needed saying.Brilliant! And Lord knows, it needed saying.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.com